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  Racist ideas still present in the org.

  by sosoconfused in

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  another thread on this board recalled to my mind the various thoughts and ideas in this organization that are still very prevelant among many.. .

  for instance i already mentioned the late 70's to early 80's segregation in the kingdom halls, but in the 90's clear through to now for instance:.

  at bethel in the mid 90's if you listened to or were found with rap music you were gone, no questions asked.

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  Heard first-hand overt racist comments by several elders and m.s of a Hispanic congregation during a dinner that seemed to have been organized for me. Out of nowhere someone said that blacks were "not hard working people"--they actually put in different words. Promptly others echoed the comment. I was quite taken aback by the comments of these "spiritual" leaders. I was invited to this dinner because the body of elders was trying to get dirt on one elder that was not popular in the Body of Elders. This zealous, but unpopular elder had previously given me a book study and the other elders thought they could get something on the elder from me. It backfired because I wrote a letter to the Watchtower, and among other things, I wrote the racist comments that I had heard from the elders and m.s. Two months later a black elder who had learned Spanish was transferred to that congregation. He didn't stay for long, but I strongly believed that my letter caused the transfer of that elder.

  The elder who gave me the study was in the end demoted and stayed "out of service" for several years.
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  If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

  by mP in

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  i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

  slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

  so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

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  never a jw

  Atheism is a religion of the rich and wealthy.

  James Brown,

  Don't forget that there is a correlation between wealth, education and intelligence. Atheists are generally smart and well educated, while the most fervent believers are poor and uneducated.

  I choose education, wealth and atheism. You stick to fervent believers
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

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  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  never a jw

  Impressive and educational. Kudos to you Cofty.

  Regarding population growth, it's quite interesting to see that from the days of Jesus Christ to the 19th century there is very small growth. But it is in the 20th century when we have an unprecedented growth rate. I believed, it tripled in just a century (from the 1900's to the 2,000's). The reason is quite simple, we have learned to reduce significantly mortality due to disease and famine. This is precisely what makes the huge difference between the 20th century and any other time before.

  Quite interesting how an elder last year in the Special Talk tried to convince the audience that the 20th century was the worst ever. Why? Because famine, wars, disease and earthquake had gotten worse!!!!! Unbelievable, completely the oppossite is true and a population graph can prove it beyond doubt.

  Read the article. It confirms what I had learned before and wrote above.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth
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  Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style

  by RayPublisher in

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  2. bible

  well the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.

  here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .

  net:.

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  "lost"

  You are lost in the Watchtower world. The conditions today are way better than in any other time in the past. The problem with you is that you watch too much television and spend less time interacting with your down to earth very normal neighbors (I hope you don't live in a ghetto). Life is not perfect for many, but it is much better for the majority of people in the world then it was decades or hundreds of years ago.
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  MIL letter to my wife

  by AggieNostic in

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  2. experiences

  background: my wife and i are inactive, we stopped attending in 2005. raised as jws, were pioneers, i was elder etc... .

  our kids are in college, also inactive but are baptised.

  my wife went back to college, getting her degree this month at age 48!

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  never a jw

  Be resolute in your position regarding your religious beliefs, but you may want to tell them that they are welcome to your house, social gatherings and parties anytime. If they don't want to reciprocate, that's their prerrogative. Show them more love than they are capable of showing to your wife.

  Your letter only hardens my resolve to fight the cult.

  Also, tangential to the subject though, what difference is there between anniversaries and birthdays? The former are annual celebrations of two individuals, the latter are the annual celebrations of one individual. I guess anniversaries should be twice as bad as birthdays.
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  Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....

  by tresdecu in

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  not trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.

  http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.

  is this just a lot of talk?

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  never a jw

  Financial ruin no. We will just have to adjust to live with less because other countries want their piece of the pie, which we have enjoyed and taken for granted for so long. The U.S. will still be one of the best places to live.
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  What is the most damning watchtower publication?

  by zound in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to purchase a couple of vintage watchtower publications to help in my helping jw's break free.

  some of the older ones are expensive or hard to come by - i know you can buy them on cd's but i'd like to own one or two of the "classics of propaganda"- some of the ones that speak for themselves as to the ridiculousness of this religion.. of course any magazine i pick up today speaks to me of the ridiculousness, but you need something much more hardcore for the jw's.. any recommendations?.

  "children" has some pretty good quotes in it..

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  never a jw

  Biometrics,

  I have no idea what torrent is. Advise. Or give me sometime to research.

  Also, I would be more than happy to put it in DVD's and mail it to you. Free!! (in the U.S)
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  What is the most damning watchtower publication?

  by zound in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to purchase a couple of vintage watchtower publications to help in my helping jw's break free.

  some of the older ones are expensive or hard to come by - i know you can buy them on cd's but i'd like to own one or two of the "classics of propaganda"- some of the ones that speak for themselves as to the ridiculousness of this religion.. of course any magazine i pick up today speaks to me of the ridiculousness, but you need something much more hardcore for the jw's.. any recommendations?.

  "children" has some pretty good quotes in it..

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  never a jw

  Dont spend money on those books. Go to archive.org. I found so much in that place. Just about all the WT since 1879, most golden age, just about all of Rutherford's garbage, most of Russell's garbage too. PM me if you are interested in my 5 Gigabyte watchtower library.

  The most damning publication is the Watchtower to the public of October and November 2011. The two part article "When was ancient Jerusalem Destroyed" contains the boldest, most shameless lie ever written by the WT. It contains plenty more.
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  After the cult how many reject faith in anything?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  2. friends

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  never a jw

  Mrs Jones I actually was an apatheist from the time I was 13 until I was 47, just a year ago. Today, after learning about ttatt and other christian fundamentalists beliefs, I have become anti-theist. Too much harm is being done by religion. In fact, in politics I sided with Republicans in most issues. Today, given their large support by anti-science fundamentalists, I am hesitant to identify with any party.
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  An enemy of my enemy is my friend

  by stuckinamovement in

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  2. scandals

  i like that old saying.. siam.

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  never a jw

  Funny, I just made a comment using the same quote in the recent Lady Lee thread. Two persons, likely in very distant parts of the world, had the same thought and decided to type it here almost at the same time.